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yes. I do think she did it.. BUT that being said there was many holes in alot of people's stories and statements. I hate cases like this because no one truely knows what happened except for the victims and God. I think she did it by the fact she went missing and then didnt tell anyone for 30 days. WHO does that? guilty people thats who. There are times I sit and go yes she did it, then i go...who really knows, maby she didnt! But an inncownt beautiful little girl lost her life and if it was in the hand s of her own mom....GOD HELP HER! I still cant understand how a parents could do that. It makes me SICK!!!!!!


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QUOTE (mummy2girls @ Jul 5 2011, 03:49 PM)
yes. I do think she did it.. BUT that being said there was many holes in alot of people's stories and statements. I hate cases like this because no one truely knows what happened except for the victims and God. I think she did it by the fact she went missing and then didnt tell anyone for 30 days. WHO does that? guilty people thats who. There are times I sit and go yes she did it, then i go...who really knows, maby she didnt! But an inncownt beautiful little girl lost her life and if it was in the hand s of her own mom....GOD HELP HER! I still cant understand how a parents could do that. It makes me SICK!!!!!!

ITA! Apparently the evidence was not enough for the jury to convict although I will bet all or most of them surely felt she was guilty.

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Apparently in Florida you can get away with murder! Way to reward not even very good lying. It was unfreaking believable!!!


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I'm so sad over this! I get it that they didn't have enough evidence to convict her of manslaughter, but my mommy heart breaks for that sweet little girl. I just hate it that there isn't any closure to the case. However, Casey's mother said that they now have closure and are moving on. WTH?? How do you have closure when no one was convicted?! Hubby says it's b/c she knows what happened!

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The entire thing is just so tragic. It's sad that no one in this little girls family seems to care what happened to her or want justice for her.


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QUOTE (Maddie&EthansMom @ Jul 6 2011, 01:20 PM)
I'm so sad over this! I get it that they didn't have enough evidence to convict her of manslaughter, but my mommy heart breaks for that sweet little girl. I just hate it that there isn't any closure to the case. However, Casey's mother said that they now have closure and are moving on. WTH?? How do you have closure when no one was convicted?! Hubby says it's b/c she knows what happened!

100% agree. There is no way on earth I could get closure like that. I think the defense lawyer stated at one point it was "an accident that snowballed into a mess" or something like that.....HUH????? He OBVIOUSLY knows what went on as well. Maybe it was an accident drowning, but she should have been convicted or at least abuse for NOT reporting it.


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I can't believe that she was found not guilty either.

We as the public need to stick together and boycott any movie and/or book deal that she
writes or co writes. So that she does not profit from her child's death.

I just heard that the Nanny has served her with papers for her suit and equifax is going to sue her too because they came to look for a missing child. Jose stated in the trial that Caylee was never missing, Casey knew what happened to Caylee.

Equifax is going to sue her for $112, 000 dollars (that is what they spent).

This is just like OJ.....she will be back into the judicial system before we all know it.

Remember she has a stealing problem besides being a liar.
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LOL I meant Texas EquuSearch/ Tim Miller not equifax....sorry.

Now IRS has slammed her with tax invasion. Wow sounds like there are a lot of
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QUOTE (coasterqueen @ Jul 6 2011, 12:42 PM)
QUOTE (Maddie&EthansMom @ Jul 6 2011, 01:20 PM)
I'm so sad over this!  I get it that they didn't have enough evidence to convict her of manslaughter, but my mommy heart breaks for that sweet little girl.  I just hate it that there isn't any closure to the case.  However, Casey's mother said that they now have closure and are moving on. WTH?? How do you have closure when no one was convicted?!  Hubby says it's b/c she knows what happened!

100% agree. There is no way on earth I could get closure like that. I think the defense lawyer stated at one point it was "an accident that snowballed into a mess" or something like that.....HUH????? He OBVIOUSLY knows what went on as well. Maybe it was an accident drowning, but she should have been convicted or at least abuse for NOT reporting it.

Well, they should have never tried her for manslaughter b/c they could have put her behind bars for so many other things.

The whole thing makes me sick. Reminds me of Jon Benet.
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It really does just make me sick to my stomach. Not that she was found not guilty (although I have no doubt she had a part in it), but that now the case will probably just fade away with no one ever being held accountable. At least not while on earth.
I just hope that however she died was in a peaceful way. bawling.gif


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QUOTE (Maddie&EthansMom @ Jul 6 2011, 01:50 PM)
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QUOTE (Maddie&EthansMom @ Jul 6 2011, 01:20 PM)
I'm so sad over this!  I get it that they didn't have enough evidence to convict her of manslaughter, but my mommy heart breaks for that sweet little girl.  I just hate it that there isn't any closure to the case.  However, Casey's mother said that they now have closure and are moving on. WTH?? How do you have closure when no one was convicted?!  Hubby says it's b/c she knows what happened!

100% agree. There is no way on earth I could get closure like that. I think the defense lawyer stated at one point it was "an accident that snowballed into a mess" or something like that.....HUH????? He OBVIOUSLY knows what went on as well. Maybe it was an accident drowning, but she should have been convicted or at least abuse for NOT reporting it.

Well, they should have never tried her for manslaughter b/c they could have put her behind bars for so many other things.

The whole thing makes me sick. Reminds me of Jon Benet.

I think it all comes down to 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. No one can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey killed Caylee. Yes, she is a horrible liar. Yes, the likely answer is she killed Caylee. But there isn't the concrete evidence like DNA to prove she killed her. No one even knows how Caylee died.

It doesn't remind me of the Ramsey case, expect for the amount of media attention given to the whole thing. JonBenet's death has so many things Caylee's doesn't - a cause of death and DNA evidence, for one. They found unknown DNA in JonBenet's underpants that they've never matched. That's why John Mark Carr was found to be a big old creepy liar, and why her parents were eventually cleared. Whoever matches that DNA likely killed that poor child, because their is no other explanation as to why someone's DNA would be found on the crotch of a 6 year old girls underpants, besides the little girl..especially not when those underpants were found on her strangled and beaten body.

And I think the media plays too large of a role in accusations a gossip. JonBenet died over 10 years ago, her parents were cleared about 5 years ago, her mother has been dead from cancer for years, and the majority of people still think they killed their child. Casey Anthony was tried by the media and the large part of the population believed she is guilty.

She was given her right as a person to be tried by an unbiased group of her peers who were given the evidence and made up their own minds.


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We as the public need to stick together and boycott any movie and/or book deal that she writes or co writes. So that she does not profit from her child's death.


AMEN to that!!

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I think it all comes down to 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. No one can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey killed Caylee. Yes, she is a horrible liar. Yes, the likely answer is she killed Caylee. But there isn't the concrete evidence like DNA to prove she killed her. No one even knows how Caylee died.


I think you are spot on. I feel badly for the jury, who did their job under the worst conditions and now they are being blasted in the media ... yeah, let's not get started on the media. mad.gif


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I am absolutely repulsed. Maybe the prosecution overreached by seeking the death penalty, of which I am not a fan, but the thing is that even if Caylee died in the pool (which I don't buy for one second) then Casey could still theoretically be guilty of manslaughter because until a doctor declares a person dead, it cannot be known for certain...my grandma was in full pulmonary arrest for at least 20 minutes (I believe it was actually 33 minutes but I am not certain) and they managed to bring her back and she was talking, walking, etc, afterward even though technically speaking, one's brain *should* be dead after 5 minutes of oxygen deprivation so if they didn't take Caylee to the hospital after a drowning then the way I see it, she is at least guilty of manslaughter.
And how did this jury not find her guilty of child endangerment/neglect?? Someone who doesn't report her child missing for over 30 days and spends her time partying is not neglectful?? On what planet????
And to top it all off, she can make millions by selling this story, there are already takers, seeking to offer her a half million dollar book deal. Sure we can boycott but that's not even the point...I'm disappointed that this judge did not at least order that any monies she makes from this be put toward the costs of looking for Caylee. If I were the judge, I'd order any money she makes to first go toward the costs of the search and then any additional monies be donated to the Center for Missing and Exploited Children or something to that effect so that there is no way she can benefit from this.
I get that perhaps there was not enough evidence to convict but even the members of the jury who spoke out are saying they believe she at least had something to do with Caylee's death but that they didn't have enough evidence...then why, oh why didn't they consider a manslaughter conviction...afterall, if Casey had something to do with this, burden of proof for manslaughter is WAY lower than burden of proof for murder, which requires permeditation.
Also, when someone needs to spin a web of lies like Casey did then it seems rather obvious that she is hiding something...I don't know of any decent person who could act like Casey did unless they did something very wrong.
I just deplore the message that this sends to society...if you can spin enough lies and plant just the tiniest seed of doubt in a jury's mind, have your mother commit perjury to save you, and get some shady lawyer (who btw was disbarred in FL for 8 years for his failure to pay child support and get insurance for his own children) then you can walk out free...oh, and you can make millions afterward to top it off.
Disgusting...just disgustion. mad.gif


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Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't see how they 'didn't have enough evidence'. I think they had plenty.

This is a clear case of how our judicial system has trumped common sense. Makes me ill. mad.gif


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QUOTE (cameragirl21 @ Jul 7 2011, 11:13 AM)
I am absolutely repulsed. Maybe the prosecution overreached by seeking the death penalty, of which I am not a fan, but the thing is that even if Caylee died in the pool (which I don't buy for one second) then Casey could still theoretically be guilty of manslaughter because until a doctor declares a person dead, it cannot be known for certain...my grandma was in full pulmonary arrest for at least 20 minutes (I believe it was actually 33 minutes but I am not certain) and they managed to bring her back and she was talking, walking, etc, afterward even though technically speaking, one's brain *should* be dead after 5 minutes of oxygen deprivation so if they didn't take Caylee to the hospital after a drowning then the way I see it, she is at least guilty of manslaughter.
And how did this jury not find her guilty of child endangerment/neglect?? Someone who doesn't report her child missing for over 30 days and spends her time partying is not neglectful?? On what planet????
And to top it all off, she can make millions by selling this story, there are already takers, seeking to offer her a half million dollar book deal. Sure we can boycott but that's not even the point...I'm disappointed that this judge did not at least order that any monies she makes from this be put toward the costs of looking for Caylee. If I were the judge, I'd order any money she makes to first go toward the costs of the search and then any additional monies be donated to the Center for Missing and Exploited Children or something to that effect so that there is no way she can benefit from this.
I get that perhaps there was not enough evidence to convict but even the members of the jury who spoke out are saying they believe she at least had something to do with Caylee's death but that they didn't have enough evidence...then why, oh why didn't they consider a manslaughter conviction...afterall, if Casey had something to do with this, burden of proof for manslaughter is WAY lower than burden of proof for murder, which requires permeditation.
Also, when someone needs to spin a web of lies like Casey did then it seems rather obvious that she is hiding something...I don't know of any decent person who could act like Casey did unless they did something very wrong.
I just deplore the message that this sends to society...if you can spin enough lies and plant just the tiniest seed of doubt in a jury's mind, have your mother commit perjury to save you, and get some shady lawyer (who btw was disbarred in FL for 8 years for his failure to pay child support and get insurance for his own children) then you can walk out free...oh, and you can make millions afterward to top it off.
Disgusting...just disgustion. mad.gif

I agree. Totally!
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QUOTE (Nina J @ Jul 7 2011, 08:17 AM)
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I'm so sad over this!  I get it that they didn't have enough evidence to convict her of manslaughter, but my mommy heart breaks for that sweet little girl.  I just hate it that there isn't any closure to the case.  However, Casey's mother said that they now have closure and are moving on. WTH?? How do you have closure when no one was convicted?!  Hubby says it's b/c she knows what happened!

100% agree. There is no way on earth I could get closure like that. I think the defense lawyer stated at one point it was "an accident that snowballed into a mess" or something like that.....HUH????? He OBVIOUSLY knows what went on as well. Maybe it was an accident drowning, but she should have been convicted or at least abuse for NOT reporting it.

Well, they should have never tried her for manslaughter b/c they could have put her behind bars for so many other things.

The whole thing makes me sick. Reminds me of Jon Benet.

I think it all comes down to 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. No one can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey killed Caylee. Yes, she is a horrible liar. Yes, the likely answer is she killed Caylee. But there isn't the concrete evidence like DNA to prove she killed her. No one even knows how Caylee died.

It doesn't remind me of the Ramsey case, expect for the amount of media attention given to the whole thing. JonBenet's death has so many things Caylee's doesn't - a cause of death and DNA evidence, for one. They found unknown DNA in JonBenet's underpants that they've never matched. That's why John Mark Carr was found to be a big old creepy liar, and why her parents were eventually cleared. Whoever matches that DNA likely killed that poor child, because their is no other explanation as to why someone's DNA would be found on the crotch of a 6 year old girls underpants, besides the little girl..especially not when those underpants were found on her strangled and beaten body.

And I think the media plays too large of a role in accusations a gossip. JonBenet died over 10 years ago, her parents were cleared about 5 years ago, her mother has been dead from cancer for years, and the majority of people still think they killed their child. Casey Anthony was tried by the media and the large part of the population believed she is guilty.

She was given her right as a person to be tried by an unbiased group of her peers who were given the evidence and made up their own minds.

I just meant that there is no closure to the Jon Benet Ramsey case. I'm in agreement about the reasonable doubt. I get that. But still.....there's a little girl who is dead and there are no answers as to why...only a bunch of lies and cover ups.

I'm an emotional person, more than reasonable or logical...especially when it comes to things like this. You don't want me on a jury. laugh.gif
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QUOTE (cameragirl21 @ Jul 7 2011, 12:13 PM)
I am absolutely repulsed. Maybe the prosecution overreached by seeking the death penalty, of which I am not a fan, but the thing is that even if Caylee died in the pool (which I don't buy for one second) then Casey could still theoretically be guilty of manslaughter because until a doctor declares a person dead, it cannot be known for certain...my grandma was in full pulmonary arrest for at least 20 minutes (I believe it was actually 33 minutes but I am not certain) and they managed to bring her back and she was talking, walking, etc, afterward even though technically speaking, one's brain *should* be dead after 5 minutes of oxygen deprivation so if they didn't take Caylee to the hospital after a drowning then the way I see it, she is at least guilty of manslaughter.
And how did this jury not find her guilty of child endangerment/neglect?? Someone who doesn't report her child missing for over 30 days and spends her time partying is not neglectful?? On what planet????
And to top it all off, she can make millions by selling this story, there are already takers, seeking to offer her a half million dollar book deal. Sure we can boycott but that's not even the point...I'm disappointed that this judge did not at least order that any monies she makes from this be put toward the costs of looking for Caylee. If I were the judge, I'd order any money she makes to first go toward the costs of the search and then any additional monies be donated to the Center for Missing and Exploited Children or something to that effect so that there is no way she can benefit from this.
I get that perhaps there was not enough evidence to convict but even the members of the jury who spoke out are saying they believe she at least had something to do with Caylee's death but that they didn't have enough evidence...then why, oh why didn't they consider a manslaughter conviction...afterall, if Casey had something to do with this, burden of proof for manslaughter is WAY lower than burden of proof for murder, which requires permeditation.
Also, when someone needs to spin a web of lies like Casey did then it seems rather obvious that she is hiding something...I don't know of any decent person who could act like Casey did unless they did something very wrong.
I just deplore the message that this sends to society...if you can spin enough lies and plant just the tiniest seed of doubt in a jury's mind, have your mother commit perjury to save you, and get some shady lawyer (who btw was disbarred in FL for 8 years for his failure to pay child support and get insurance for his own children) then you can walk out free...oh, and you can make millions afterward to top it off.
Disgusting...just disgustion. mad.gif

I agree, but they couldn't charge her with charges that the state did not bring forward. The state didn't go for neglect or manslaughter, hence why the jury couldn't convict her on that. Sad. The state of Florida did a terrible job, IMO with the charges they sought.


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QUOTE (Boo&BugsMom @ Jul 7 2011, 12:41 PM)
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't see how they 'didn't have enough evidence'. I think they had plenty.

This is a clear case of how our judicial system has trumped common sense. Makes me ill. mad.gif

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I'm so sad over this!  I get it that they didn't have enough evidence to convict her of manslaughter, but my mommy heart breaks for that sweet little girl.  I just hate it that there isn't any closure to the case.  However, Casey's mother said that they now have closure and are moving on. WTH?? How do you have closure when no one was convicted?!  Hubby says it's b/c she knows what happened!

100% agree. There is no way on earth I could get closure like that. I think the defense lawyer stated at one point it was "an accident that snowballed into a mess" or something like that.....HUH????? He OBVIOUSLY knows what went on as well. Maybe it was an accident drowning, but she should have been convicted or at least abuse for NOT reporting it.

Well, they should have never tried her for manslaughter b/c they could have put her behind bars for so many other things.

The whole thing makes me sick. Reminds me of Jon Benet.

I think it all comes down to 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. No one can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey killed Caylee. Yes, she is a horrible liar. Yes, the likely answer is she killed Caylee. But there isn't the concrete evidence like DNA to prove she killed her. No one even knows how Caylee died.

It doesn't remind me of the Ramsey case, expect for the amount of media attention given to the whole thing. JonBenet's death has so many things Caylee's doesn't - a cause of death and DNA evidence, for one. They found unknown DNA in JonBenet's underpants that they've never matched. That's why John Mark Carr was found to be a big old creepy liar, and why her parents were eventually cleared. Whoever matches that DNA likely killed that poor child, because their is no other explanation as to why someone's DNA would be found on the crotch of a 6 year old girls underpants, besides the little girl..especially not when those underpants were found on her strangled and beaten body.

And I think the media plays too large of a role in accusations a gossip. JonBenet died over 10 years ago, her parents were cleared about 5 years ago, her mother has been dead from cancer for years, and the majority of people still think they killed their child. Casey Anthony was tried by the media and the large part of the population believed she is guilty.

She was given her right as a person to be tried by an unbiased group of her peers who were given the evidence and made up their own minds.

I just meant that there is no closure to the Jon Benet Ramsey case. I'm in agreement about the reasonable doubt. I get that. But still.....there's a little girl who is dead and there are no answers as to why...only a bunch of lies and cover ups.

I'm an emotional person, more than reasonable or logical...especially when it comes to things like this. You don't want me on a jury. laugh.gif

rolling_smile.gif Me too! I could never do a murder case. Because even if there is not enough concrete evidence, if there is enough circumstantial evidence.....their guilty in my book! There are TONS of convictions based solely on circumstantial evidence, this one shouldn't have been any different.

I mean they found her guilty of lying to the cops when she said she talked to Caylee on July 15 and she didn't because her baby girl was already dead. Doesn't that spell guilt???? Does to me. Guilt of something at least. That was the same day the grandmother reported Caylee missing.


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They did go for child endangerment and manslaughter and the jury acquitted on both counts.


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QUOTE (cameragirl21 @ Jul 7 2011, 10:47 AM)
They did go for child endangerment and manslaughter and the jury acquitted on both counts.

Yep, they sure did. Makes me sick and now the jurors are seeking their own compensation for interviews and such. So now this poor baby's death is going to make lots of people rich. I hope they never get a good nights sleep ever again. And I am with you Jen, they had plenty of evidence.


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QUOTE (mummy2girls @ Jul 5 2011, 02:49 PM)
I think she did it by the fact she went missing and then didnt tell anyone for 30 days. WHO does that? guilty people thats who.

This has been my thought exactly. I told Dh that fact alone was enough proof for me. If I found out that my baby had died in a pool I wouldn't panic and try to cover it up. I'd call freaking 911. dry.gif I totally think she did it, and her parents have helped her to make a big sticky web of lies to get her off the hook. Disgusting is right. dry.gif bawling.gif


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QUOTE (cameragirl21 @ Jul 7 2011, 01:47 PM)
They did go for child endangerment and manslaughter and the jury acquitted on both counts.

You know when I heard the verdict, I thought I heard they found her not guilty of that but the hubs kept telling me that they didn't try to charge her with that. See if I ever listen to him again. laugh.gif


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