Andrew update, I still need nap help

I hope you are still wanting to help us get thru this with andrew..even though we seem wishy warshy we have stuck to it.
Andrew again refused nap today. I took him to the dr, and other then the fifiths disease he is ok. She said he will feel achy and sick, but other wise she thinks he is just exhausted.
I again took him to his room for bed tonight, and not one peep out of him. He goes straight in stands up till we leave, and I can shut the door and hear on the monitor at the same time, he sits down and goes right to sleep..
He only woke 4 times last night and it was just a brief second..
no crying....so nights are not bad..and no night bottles, we dont go in at all.
but day time is really REALLY, bad.
I just dont know what to do.
I get him up when he wakes at 6am or 630am.. and I offer him breakfast, but he immediately starts crying like he hasnt slept all night, which he has. I keep the monitor right near me, I hear him role over..so I am sure he is..
so by 830am he is laying on the floor throwing a massive fit he is so tired..but wont go to sleep..so I take him in to bed, and he is screaming and wont lay down, he screams the entire two hours, I get him up and try to play and feed him lunch and he wont do anything. he wont let me console him, or leave him..just crys. so then at 1230 I put him in again, and leave him there till 230 and he screams the entire time..so now he has missed his morning and noon naps...and by 4pm he is out of control I can do nothing because his so bad...
crying and so upset.
its so hard to keep him up till 6pm he tries to fall asleep on us..so we put him in to bed again at 7pm and thats why he is sleeping so well, so fast,..he is out..

so what am I doing wrong?

ps: he did eat some spag. today and some choc cake...half banana..so that was better..

Please excuse my short term memory... how old is Andrew again?



Is he wound up before you put him down for a nap? I'm not sure of your activities during the day... but ahve you tried a little quiet time before nap time? some reading, snuggling, and maybe even a song once he's in his crib?

I know how hard it is, my Em was a holy terror to get to bed.

eventually we just stuck to the routine... put her in her bed, and that was it. She'd get out.. we'd put her back in, not a word.. same as with the night time routine.. she got it, eventually.

he is 16 months old
and right now he is so frustrated there isnt much of a routine that we are doing during the day..i spend all day trying to get him to eat, play, and sleep

I really have no advice I have never dealt with it like that. I just wanted to offer

Me too.

Well, maybe try to have a few things settled for him, for him to know that it's coming.

Baby steps... very important. Much like when they are younger and have bottles or breast at certain times you can depend on.. doing their business can almost be counted on at certain times.. etc etc.. young children need a lot of structure, a lot more than most people think.

Try setting something up that can be consistent before each nap. Is there something specific you do before bedtime at night that you could almost imitate before nap? a favorite book to look at, or a favorite song that can be sung? if not, maybe try implementing that? not so much a "routine", but more like something that signifies that nap is coming.. much like sitting in a high chair or sitting at the table signifies it's time to eat?

one thing that worked for us for a while, when Emilie was young, is watching a specific video. It was one of the only ones that seemed to keep her quiet and focused for a small period of time.. and although I don't condone it, we put a tv in her bedroom for her to watch that video when she was settled in her bed. I'd cuddle with her for a while, and when she got into the video, I'd leave the room. We ended up having to put the video on repeat, because she'd still be awake 2 hours later, but she'd still be watching it. On the plus side, it was a leapfrog video, and so she learned her alphabet sounds REALLY quickly!!!

Baby steps!!

Of course we still want to help

Some of his daytime crying might be due to the achiness of the fifths, maybe at night he is so zonked out that he sleeps through it but during the day when he is now well rested, he notices it more? I don't know, I'm probably grasping at straws, but just thinking it could have something to do with it.

If he's that cranky by 8 or 8:30, maybe try putting him right back down after breakfast before he gets so tired he cannot sleep?

What time are you doing lunch, and how is he eating at breakfast?

It took us 4 hours the first nap, Anthony screaming and crying the whole time before he finally fell asleep. I was heartbroken, but DH was bound and determined and sick and tired of the old bedtime non routine. I had to crank the music up and keep moving so I didn't go in a get him.

Keep at it.

I can't really think of much else except STICK TO THE ROUTINE YOU CHOOSE - and as far as the bottles maybe instead of cold turkey try the baby steps like Rocky said - bottle in the am and before bed ONLY - or something like that since it seems he is having a REALLY hard time with it - but I agree with the responses in the other posts - he will not starve or dehydrate and I know it has to be next to impossible to hear him cry and be inconcolable like that but in the end he will be much better off for it and it won't last near as long as you might feel it will - the sleeping much better at nite is a HUGE step forward - way to go and just keep your eye on the prize - a happier, healthier Andrew - gosh isn't being a Mom tough