Mollie as well as others regarding the, DHA/ARA thread, it's false

See why you can't believe everything you read on the internet:

http://www.milkismilk.com/blog/2005/03/cor...airy-interests/

The definition of cornucopia is a horn of plenty or a horn-shaped basket usually full of grain and fruit that is a representation of abundance. There was something about some recent news reports that included quotes from a group called the Cornucopia Institute which didn’t seem right - let’s just say they didn’t smell like fresh fruits and grain, more like B.S.

A “non-profit” institute by the same name as our horn of plenty is making news attacking certain dairy producers; however, a peak behind the scenes suggests the Cornucopia Institute may merely be a marketing arm for a competing dairy interest - Organic Valley

They are posting false information basically! I had a feeling. Companies like Nestle, Enfamil, Similac etc...they are out to make a buck sure...but they aren't that daggone stupid!

Thanks for passing this on, I've been guilty of assuming everything I read online was true until I learned to look at who is posting it and what their motive is

Leanne, the link isn't working but I looked at their news site and they seem to be the "anti organic' for the conventional dairies group. Of course they wouldn't like a pro organic group. LOL If you read both sites then you can't believe any of it. The growth hormones in milk are linked to early onset adolecence of girls but this site says it is plan wrong and that the hormones are added just to make more milk.

Now I"m just really confused.

I think you forgot the D in the dairy part of the link!

Here's what I've found.

regarding the Milkismilk site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Global_Food_Issues
The Center for Global Food Issues is a project of the Hudson Institute, a conservative U.S. think tank. The Center has received criticism from the Union of Concerned Scientists[1] and other organizations.[citation needed] Dennis Avery is the Director.[2] His son, Alex Avery, is the Director of Research and Education.[3]

Dennis T. Avery (born 24 October 1936) is the director of the Center for Global Food Issues at the Hudson Institute, where he edits Global Food Quarterly. A food policy analyst for the past 30 years, Dennis Avery began his career with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, served on the staff of President Lyndon Johnson’s National Advisory Commission of Food and Fiber, and, prior to joining Hudson, was the senior agricultural analyst for the U.S. Department of State[1]. He is the author of several books. Avery is a fervent supporter of biotechnology, pesticides, irradiation, industrial farming and free trade[2]. The New York Times wrote about him:"Dennis T. Avery wants organic food to go away. And he doesn't care what it takes." [3] According to critics he is the source of a claim that organic food is more dangerous to eat than food produced using chemical pesticides because of usage of animal manure in organic farming[4][5]. He is the father of Alex Avery who also work for the Hudson Institute.

So...he has an agenda.

off to research cornucopia

Ok, see, there is the thing....when everyone has an agenda, it's not a matter of right or wrong, just who you believe

Exactly, that's why it's bad to always trust the net

BTW. Finding information online and attempting to validate is truthfullness is what my degree is basically all about. I totally dont' believe everything I read on the web. LOL This is fun though.

Also, how this turned into a discussion of milk is beyond me but my mother was told by her nutritionist and her cancer dr that she should lay off of dairy and sugar since both are known to increase cancer cell growth. Now, I don't know how to take that but during my research today, I've found supporting claims. Interesting.

Ok, back to work.

ps. I'm going to have to go pick up my husband from the airport soon..and I'm sad. I'm having fun here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornucopia_Institute

The Cornucopia Institute is a farm policy advocacy group based in Cornucopia, Wisconsin, they act as governmental and corporate watchdogs in the organic arena. Much of their focus over the past few years has been on "factory farms" (milking 2000-10,000 cows) producing organic milk. It was cofounded by by Mark Kastel and Will Fantle, and has made news as a critic of Aurora Organic Dairy and Dean Foods' Horizon Organic.

What kind of degree do you have, if you don't mind? That sounds like a cool job!

What kind of degree do you have, if you don't mind? That sounds like a cool job!

I have my degree in Library and Information studies from FSU. If i went on and got my masters I could be a librarian. We had a few courses about web based information and it was my focus during my studies. I just find the Internet to be so facinating. Many of the people in my program are now in IT since it was mainly research skills and software. Kind of a computer science degree without the programming.

And I swear I'm not trying to be one sided. I just haven't found out much more info about cornucopia or it's founders yet. I'm sure it's out there it's just buried and I have to go now.

This post has been edited by kit_kats_mom on Jan 25 2008, 11:44 AM

It sounds like a really cool job!

What kind of degree do you have, if you don't mind? That sounds like a cool job!

I have my degree in Library and Information studies from FSU. If i went on and got my masters I could be a librarian. We had a few courses about web based information and it was my focus during my studies. I just find the Internet to be so facinating. Many of the people in my program are now in IT since it was mainly research skills and software. Kind of a computer science degree without the programming.

And I swear I'm not trying to be one sided. I just haven't found out much more info about cornucopia or it's founders yet. I'm sure it's out there it's just buried and I have to go now.

No problemo

FTR, I DON'T believe everything I read on the internet. There will ALWAYS be 2 sides to everything, I just happen to believe in the more natural sides of things (breastfeeding, raw dairy, organic foods, cloth diapers, no vaccines, etc.). You just happen to be on the other side LeaAnn.

I am not about to get into yet ANOTHER debate here. I thought I'd share some useful information about the questionable safety of the DHA/ARA formula.

This is why you have to look at the whole picture and not just half

FTR, I DON'T believe everything I read on the internet. There will ALWAYS be 2 sides to everything, I just happen to believe in the more natural sides of things (breastfeeding, raw dairy, organic foods, cloth diapers, no vaccines, etc.). You just happen to be on the other side LeaAnn.

I am not about to get into yet ANOTHER debate here. I thought I'd share some useful information about the questionable safety of the DHA/ARA formula.

I understand and a lot of the natural, organic ways that you do things I have evolved too lately (mind you I don't cloth diaper, I don't have the time) but other things I really applaud you for them, I honestly do. I just think your post was an attempt to sort of advocate BF'ing and make parents who FF feel horrible. That's the way I took it, I feel as you're pushing your views on me or making me feel bad for the decisions I've had to make. It's no one's business why a mother isn't BF'ing, there are so many reasons why a mother cannot, so to make those who FF feel worse is just questionable to me.

ITA! Which is why I support BOTH Molie and LeaAnn for posting their two sides of the story - neither is right or wrong IMO. As the reader, YOU decide what you want to believe. Just like all the links on lead recalls. Some believe it, some don't. I don't think we should be taking it personally if it's not necessarily our own belief. JMHO.

ITA! Which is why I support BOTH Molie and LeaAnn for posting their two sides of the story - neither is right or wrong IMO. As the reader, YOU decide what you want to believe. Just like all the links on lead recalls. Some believe it, some don't. I don't think we should be taking it personally if it's not necessarily our own belief. JMHO.

Thank you so much.

mollie the original intent of my OP in the other thread was not to attack you, so pleas eplease please don't take it that way, I guess I sort of jumped the gun and felt like I was being attacked because I FF my kids, I also BF at first, but to wean earlier on than I would have liked for a couple of reasons with both...nonethless, I just felt like it came across as a put down. So I'm sorry if I came across as rude it's just a sore spot for me. I use the DHA/ARA products and I do research things so I thought and still do think I made an informed decision, so I sort of felt pretty strongly about that one.

ITA! Which is why I support BOTH Molie and LeaAnn for posting their two sides of the story - neither is right or wrong IMO. As the reader, YOU decide what you want to believe. Just like all the links on lead recalls. Some believe it, some don't. I don't think we should be taking it personally if it's not necessarily our own belief. JMHO.

VERY well said!!! Thank you!

Ok, I'm going to try and tread very lightly here. Any threads related to ff and bf always seem to wind up the same way- with ff moms feeling attacked by bf moms. There are many perspectives to be considered-- irrefutable scientific evidence, personal circumstances, groups with biases and political/business agendas, and so on. Sometimes, it kind of feels like ff moms are a little quick on the trigger if anyone says anything negative at all about ff. I understand that the perceived underlying implication is a touchy one- no parent wants to feel accused of not doing "the best" for her child. But asserting the notion that ff is an inferior feeding method is NOT a value judgment in and of itself- it's a scientifically provable fact. It's also an unfortunate reality that many women who "fail" at bf are simply failed by their dr's own impatience or lack of support during those difficult early days. It's not an easy thing to get started, as we all know, but with the proper follow-up support, I am absolutely certain that more women could and would succeed with bf. Understanding and knowing all the facts allows us to decide whether bf is something worth pursueing.
Members pass on information, and it's up to us to either accept it on face value, ignore it, or investigate it further. But the simple presentation of the idea or a link is not always in and of itself, a criticism or an indictment, kwim? I think it's a nice function of this board that members post links or articles for us to do with what we choose. I rarely, if ever, accept this kind of info w/o investigating who or what's behind it. But I'd hate to see the dialogue stop because we're all perpetually oversensitive. We can find a way to do these things diplomatically, and I'm not sure that wasn't done in this case.

FTR, I DON'T believe everything I read on the internet. There will ALWAYS be 2 sides to everything, I just happen to believe in the more natural sides of things (breastfeeding, raw dairy, organic foods, cloth diapers, no vaccines, etc.). You just happen to be on the other side LeaAnn.

I am not about to get into yet ANOTHER debate here. I thought I'd share some useful information about the questionable safety of the DHA/ARA formula.

I understand and a lot of the natural, organic ways that you do things I have evolved too lately (mind you I don't cloth diaper, I don't have the time) but other things I really applaud you for them, I honestly do. I just think your post was an attempt to sort of advocate BF'ing and make parents who FF feel horrible. That's the way I took it, I feel as you're pushing your views on me or making me feel bad for the decisions I've had to make. It's no one's business why a mother isn't BF'ing, there are so many reasons why a mother cannot, so to make those who FF feel worse is just questionable to me.

I'm sorry, that was NOT my intention. Your reasons for not BFing are yours, doen't bother me at all. I'm just proud to be BFing, and loving every minute of it. I'll keep it toned down from now on.

BTW, Aubrey & Hanna are just adorable !

Well said!

FTR, I DON'T believe everything I read on the internet. There will ALWAYS be 2 sides to everything, I just happen to believe in the more natural sides of things (breastfeeding, raw dairy, organic foods, cloth diapers, no vaccines, etc.). You just happen to be on the other side LeaAnn.

I am not about to get into yet ANOTHER debate here. I thought I'd share some useful information about the questionable safety of the DHA/ARA formula.

I understand and a lot of the natural, organic ways that you do things I have evolved too lately (mind you I don't cloth diaper, I don't have the time) but other things I really applaud you for them, I honestly do. I just think your post was an attempt to sort of advocate BF'ing and make parents who FF feel horrible. That's the way I took it, I feel as you're pushing your views on me or making me feel bad for the decisions I've had to make. It's no one's business why a mother isn't BF'ing, there are so many reasons why a mother cannot, so to make those who FF feel worse is just questionable to me.

I'm sorry, that was NOT my intention. Your reasons for not BFing are yours, doen't bother me at all. I'm just proud to be BFing, and loving every minute of it. I'll keep it toned down from now on.

BTW, Aubrey & Hanna are just adorable !

Thank you.

To me this is kind of like politics. Take a little bit from this side and a handful from this side and mix it all up and you may have an ounce of truth between the two.