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| Posted by: Kentuckychick Jan 29 2009, 04:54 PM |
| They already have SIX children... and live in a 2 or 3 bedroom home with the mother's parents. I know I'll get flack for this, but these are exactly the types of families who shouldn't be allowed to use the types of fertility drugs that are known for mulitple birth pregnancies. We know who will be supporting them.  |
| Posted by: Nina J Jan 29 2009, 05:08 PM |
| How can you judge them when you do not even know them? I assume this information is something you have read in the media or seen on television. How do you know it is the truth? You don't know them or what goes on in their life. For all we know, their bank balance could be hundred's of thousands of dollars. I do not think you can judge someone you do not know. Personally, I wish them the best and hope that the children grow up happily and have the things they need to get by. |
| Posted by: PrairieMom Jan 29 2009, 05:19 PM |
| I don't know, something doesn't sound right there. I hesitate to judge, I have no idea what their family life and circumstance really is. |
| Posted by: Kentuckychick Jan 29 2009, 05:26 PM |
| << Outside the family's home, bikes and toddler toys were scattered across the front yard. Neighbors told ABC News that the woman is a single mother in her thirties who already has six other children. It appears that the family will be living in a three-bedroom house bursting with babies when the octuplets are released from the hospital in an estimated two months. >> Somehow I doubt the neighbors are lying... And I'm not exactly judging... judging would be saying the woman's a horrible mother who won't be able to care for her children or something of that nature. She may be an awesome mother... and she may have money saved or whatever... What I'm saying is that there should be stricter regulations on who can recieve those types of fertility treatments. A single mother who already has SIX children... I'm sorry... no. |
| Posted by: boyohboyohboy Jan 29 2009, 06:04 PM |
| I have to admit when I saw the news about the other children and where they live, I also wondered how is she going to take care of 8 more babies in a home like that? and why wouldnt responsible parents be living on their own before bringing more kids into the world. Now they didnt say what shape or age the parents are, so maybe they are taken care of by the adults, or maybe this is an ethnic thing where multiple generations do live together..but the house is so small for the number of people living there before the babies... I cant help it, I felt weird about it too. |
| Posted by: Mommy2Isabella Jan 29 2009, 06:56 PM | ||
So the mother did undergo fertility treatments. The local news channel did not in my opinon do a very unbias job of covering this story. I think to each his own. If you want 19 kids, COOL, knock yourself out. If you can afford fertility medications and what not then more than likely you aren't on state aid, as state aid to the best of my knowledge doesn't cover fertility as well as most insurance companies won't cover it. Some do, in Illinois it is mandatory to cover fertility ( I know because our insurance is based out of IL, and we have fertility treatments because of a law there). |
| Posted by: cameragirl21 Jan 29 2009, 07:13 PM |
| well, fertility treatments are pretty expensive so she must have some money if she could afford those. I didn't realize she's a single mom, not that that should be a hindrance but if a single mom already has six kids, if I were a doctor, I'm not sure how I'd feel about this but then again, I'm not a doctor and it's not my business. I do feel that it's a lot of kids to have but I don't know if it's fair to assume that they will be a burden on society. With that household it's only a matter of time before they get their own show on TLC and in comes the money, it made the Gosselins rich, so maybe that was her intention. I can just see it now--Single Mom Plus 14.... |
| Posted by: Mommy2Isabella Jan 29 2009, 07:19 PM |
| I have read and watched countless videos trying to find more information. She remains to not be identified but they are saying she is hispanic. Also, it said that she didn't necessarily need to go to a Dr. for the fertility medication, as you can order it online from other countries and what not. I don't think it is fair for anyone to pass judgement on her. 9 weeks premie for 8 babies is FANTASTIC! That took some serious effort on this ladies part. I can't even carry one baby to term, much less 8!! Good for her. Let's just hope that all the babies survive and thrive. |
| Posted by: Calimama Jan 29 2009, 08:29 PM | ||
I guess I fail to see the significance of that statement...? Why is her race a point of interest? Just curious.. or nosey. Whatever.  |
| Posted by: boyohboyohboy Jan 29 2009, 08:56 PM |
| I mentioned their "ethnicity" because I was thinking that there is a race that does indeed expect their younger generations to take care of the older ones, by living together..isnt it chinese? I am thinking I remember seeing that somewhere, I know that in my town there are a lot of hispanics that live together in multigenerational homes, I dont know if that is their culture thats causes that to happen or not. I am all for taking care of the elderly, but if she or her husband were not able to care for and support the 6 kids she had by themselves, then she shouldnt have brought mre kids into the picture..I dont know her story, and the news does have a tendency to try to bury people who are not forth coming to them... it might have been in her best interest to just come out and say what ever it was the media wanted to hear and save her family and her good name..they are going to hound her till they get what they want anyway. why is it that the hosp alerted the media of this birth if they wanted such privacy? |
| Posted by: Mommy2Isabella Jan 30 2009, 04:44 AM |
| I said her ethnicity or race I always get the two confused because it was just more details about the family. And like someone else said it could be tradition for them to live together and take care of the parents or whatever ... Im not attacking her in any way! The hospital alerted the media because that is a FEAT for a hospital as well as a mom. Those kinds of things help the hospital with a good reputation. " We delivered 8 babies in 5 mins". Thinking of it that way, what miracle can they help YOU with. OHHH ... I should write slogans ... lol The media will portray things they way the want to. Especially if the family doesn't want to speak to the media, that is like more fuel for the fire! There was indeed a riding toy in the camera shot when they panned the street and said that was their house, WHO CARES? I can imagine with 6 children and being pregnant with 8 babies that getting the kids in from outside was all she really cared about. * I wonder if she moved in with her parents when she got pregnant with high order mulitples because she knew she would need help with them when she was no longer able to do things on her own * |
| Posted by: A&A'smommy Jan 30 2009, 07:06 AM | ||
thats what I thought and who cares if they leave a toy outside we leave toys outside it doesn't make me a bad mother. I think the media needs to leave her alone whatever her situation is until she is ready to speak to them.. and for all we know her husband could have died recently or left her when he found she was pregnant with 8. We DON"T know their circumstances and its NONE of our business!! |
| Posted by: PrairieMom Jan 30 2009, 07:40 AM |
| I was watching a segment on the today show this morning, I think it was the today show, which ever one has Julie Chen. They were showing the mothers neighborhood, and talking to a friend who was all blacked out about it. It just makes me sick. The poor mom, ( what ever her circumstance) has not come out to the media, IMO showing that she is not wanting to get all this attention, or hand outs. If her story was released by the hospital, that violates patient confidentiality, which I think she should sue for. None of this is anyone's business, and I think it is just sick how the media is digging into it. not to mention the fact that this mother is getting flamed for carrying all 8 babies to term, what would people be saying about her if she had had a selective reduction?  |
| Posted by: BAC'sMom Jan 30 2009, 07:52 AM | ||||
I am not sure what the significance is in that statement is either  What do white people not take care of their elderly or what? Or live around each other or in the same household?Here we go again jumping to conclusions when we don't even know these people or their story. As for her talking to the media...she just had 8 babies! Give her a freaking break! I think talking to the media is the last thing on her mind. |
| Posted by: boyohboyohboy Jan 30 2009, 07:57 AM | ||||||
actually my point was that there is a culture of people and I cant remember what it is, that doesnt use nursing homes, or live next door to the elderly in their families, ie, parents aunts uncles, or what ever..they actually move in to take care of them both emotionally and financially.. it was actually sticking up for this woman who could be living with her parents in this sort of scenerio..so now who is jumping to conclusions.. honestly..everyone is just stating their opinions..which one of us could say we could take care of 14 kids!!! I dont think any of her kids are older then 10! thats hard on anyone no matter if she was a billionaire. |
| Posted by: Mommy2Isabella Jan 30 2009, 07:59 AM |
| I didn't mean it as a bad thing, just another little fact. Sorry if I offended anyone. That was not my intention, my intention was just putting out there that the MEDIA had disclosed that she was hispanic, maybe hispanic women have a higher probability of high order multiples, or of traditionally taking care of their aging parents. Once again, sorry if I offended anyone! |
| Posted by: A&A'smommy Jan 30 2009, 08:01 AM |
| oh btw the dad said that he has a new house a much bigger one somewhere... |
| Posted by: BAC'sMom Jan 30 2009, 08:10 AM | ||||||||
Well my point is that it should not be a race issue. The color of her skin should never had been brought up. Taking care of your elderly isn't always about culture, it's about doing the right thing. I took care/take care of my Grandmother and Mother and I am not hispanic! |
| Posted by: boyohboyohboy Jan 30 2009, 08:14 AM |
| would it not be fair to say that a lot of hispanic families live in muiltigenerational housing? I know in my area they do... I dont know that it has anything to do with their race as just how they do it... I re read all the posts and I dont think anyone meant to point out a single "race" just more info on what the news is sending out there.. its no different then working thru the facts and rubish the news puts out on almost all subjects. I also think everyone wishes those babies a great life and the mom plenty of patience and lots of little helpers for her kiddies..  |
| Posted by: Mommy2Isabella Jan 30 2009, 08:26 AM |
| I wasn't bringing it up to make it a race issue, merely to bring more understanding possibly if it is tradition for a certain group of people to care for the ederly. Or to have high order multiples. I am not saying anything bad about here. I have said nothing but positive. I just feel as if what I posted has been taken COMPLETELY out of context. Into something that I never meant for it to mean. I was just simply posting what I had read about the mother. Thats the only description there is of the woman. ONCE AGAIN I DID NOT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE! I APPOLOGIZE!!! |
| Posted by: coasterqueen Jan 30 2009, 08:32 AM |
Ok, maybe I'm a little confused because I don't really know much about this but what you post. In the beginning it said a single mother to X number of children.....why is a single mother taking fertility? Ok, that statement came out wrong. I guess what I'm saying is if she has already a lot of children, living with family and single, struggling, etc why is she wanting to do fertility and have 8 more children? NOT trying to judge. Just trying to figure this story out.  I think I lost some translation somewhere, maybe? |
| Posted by: DVFlyer Jan 30 2009, 09:00 AM |
| I'm waiting for more to come out... on the surface, though, I don't like her decision to have more babies at all. |
| Posted by: gr33n3y3z Jan 30 2009, 09:32 AM |
| Its no ones business who lives with who and how many children they have and how many ppl. live under one roof or how much money they have or dont have. Or how many toys lay on the ground outside I can think of other things to b%^@& about and one being these comments. |
| Posted by: coasterqueen Jan 30 2009, 09:37 AM | ||
I completely agree. I guess I was just wondering was there a father involved since it said she was a single mother? |
| Posted by: Calimama Jan 30 2009, 09:39 AM | ||||||
I agree!! Wow.. seriously? You guys don't like that she had more? Who cares!! Gosh when did life become about doing things to please society? Sad. No one knows she's on assistance, no one knows if she took drugs, no ones if they REALLY live in 2 bedroom house or if she's taking care of her parents. To pass judgment on 1/10th of the story that may not even be true is ridiculously sad IMO. |
| Posted by: jcc64 Jan 30 2009, 10:19 AM |
| I guess only white, middle-class people in nice homes have the right to procreate, kind of like the Duggars. That I am sure, is what the news media is implicitly suggesting by the "facts" that they are "reporting." My understanding is that the woman was trying to protect her anonymity. Judging by some of the commentary/reaction, I'd say her instincts were right on the money. |
| Posted by: DVFlyer Jan 30 2009, 10:47 AM |
| People assuming that she is on assistance or has other kids living with other people is exactly the same as those who assume everything is "normal". In both cases, people are assuming things based on partial information. One is not more right than the other. It is natural for people to discuss things based on available information- even if that information may change. |
| Posted by: luvbug00 Jan 30 2009, 12:01 PM |
| I really don't care about the fertility deal IMO it's beyond ones control how many kids they get when messing with nature. I respect her for chooseing to carry all. My issue like with every mass producing family out there is the enviornmental resorces that will be used up by all thease kids when they grow into adults. That's it. As long as she's not draining the government or hurting or neglecting anyone i kinda just shake my head for mother earth and then walk away. |
| Posted by: Nina J Jan 31 2009, 09:31 PM |
I read an article that said her mother apparently claimed the woman has been obsessed with children since she was a teenager. If the article is true, the grandmother of the babies is leaving before the mother gets home from the hospital  |
| Posted by: Kentuckychick Jan 31 2009, 10:19 PM | ||
I read that too... and that all of her children were conceived through invitro fertilization (I wonder who the doctor is that implanted eight embryos into a woman with 6 children  ) -- and that none of the children are her ex-husbands.I do have to say... I think and have thought stricter regs need to be in place on fertility drugs/means... and this is a prime example... but this story gets weirder everyday. So the grandmother's going to leave... and the grandfather is taking a "high paying job in Iraq"... that leaves that single mom with a whole lotta kids to take care of on her own. |
| Posted by: boyohboyohboy Feb 1 2009, 06:15 AM |
| I dont agree that regulations should be placed on people who want to do this. I am never for government telling me what I can and cant do. I think this woman had every RIGHT to do what she did, but she might not have used common sense. Again my issue is that she cant possibly give each one of those 14 kids her attention and the time they need and deserve. And what if God for bid something happened to her. Who is going to take care of here babies. I think the entire thing is rather sad. I feel sorry for the kids really. |
| Posted by: coasterqueen Feb 2 2009, 12:05 PM |
| I'm all for someone having as many children as they want. Really, I am. This disturbs me a little bit, though. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5627531.ece I guess a lot of people seek money out to tell "their story". |
| Posted by: MommyToAshley Feb 2 2009, 12:23 PM |
| Just like the Duggars, I think it is no one's business as long as the babies are being taken care of. However, if what I heard on the news this morning is true, then someone should lose their medical license. The news had an interview with the Grandma, who said her daughter had always been obessed with kids. She is a single Mom and had the eggs implanted with all her children. (The doner is the same for all the children). She had these last eggs implanted because she did not want her eggs destroyed. However, from what I understand from the medical professional on the news, they are not suppose to implant more than two eggs at a time. Having multiples is dangerous for the mother and the babies. If this is the case and the doctor implanted eight, then his license needs to be reviewed. I also think that in this case, counseling should have been offered before the service was provided. I am sure the doctor had a case history. However, I would caution... the news doesn't always get all the facts straight. On the up side, I heard that all eight babies are doing well. However, it's frightening to hear that the medical bill for all eight babies in ICU will come to nearly $3 MILLION dollars.  |
| Posted by: MommyToAshley Feb 2 2009, 01:25 PM |
| Update: I just finished watching an interview with the Mom's agent. Appearantly she was only trying to protect her anonymity and hasn't spoken to the media because she wants to tell her story for $2M. When the reported asked the agent if the reason she had the babies was to sell the story, the agent said he is not at liberty to give any details at this time. I hope it isn't true that she had these babies in order to sell her story. |
| Posted by: msoulz Feb 2 2009, 04:06 PM | ||||
ITA!!
Uh huh . . . |
| Posted by: coasterqueen Feb 3 2009, 05:56 AM | ||
That's what I was saying yesterday. I can't believe the money issue! |
| Posted by: PrairieMom Feb 3 2009, 06:04 AM |
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| Posted by: MommyToAshley Feb 3 2009, 06:17 AM | ||||
I read your link after I posted, it pretty much summed up the interview I saw on the news. Something just isn't right here. |
| Posted by: coasterqueen Feb 3 2009, 06:19 AM | ||||||
I agree, and I hope I'm wrong with my thoughts, because that is a lot of children for one mother who might have "issues". I'm not saying she does, but the news makes her out to and I truly hope it's all wrong for the sake of all those children.  |
| Posted by: Hillbilly Housewife Feb 3 2009, 06:58 AM | ||
She might have had "the right" to do it - but 1) she is messing with God's creation - AND 2) like as IF she can pay the 3 million it's costing to take care of her babies in the ICU. At what cost to the rest of you is her right allowed? Where should the line be drawn? The right to do something doesn't mean it's God Given. The government should have stepped in. Seriously? Some people take it too far, with all their sense of entitlement. Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. Especially if what i hear is true, and that she's waiting to sell her story for 2m$. |
| Posted by: PrairieMom Feb 3 2009, 07:07 AM |
| I believe that she has the RIGHT to do what she did, however, I believe that it was extremely irresponsible on her part, and the part of the Dr that preformed the procedure. It is extremely dangerous to the babies and to the mother to be pregnant with that many. The likely hood of them surviving and having no ill effects from this were very slim. IMO it is not okay to risk the health of innocent children just to "see if it can be done" or to make a buck off of it. The best thing that can be done now is for the general public to just ignore the whole thing and let it pass so that she can't profit off this. |
| Posted by: lisar Feb 3 2009, 08:06 AM | ||
Just Raygen in the NICU for 2 weeks cost right at $500,000.00. That doesnt include the c-section or me at all. That was just HER bill. |
| Posted by: cameragirl21 Feb 3 2009, 08:16 AM |
| hmmm, do California tax payers have the right to refuse to pay the 3 million dollars or more it will cost them to attend to these babies that the mother made just to sell her story for 2 million dollars? And is the mother willing to share her 2 million dollars with Cali tax payers? I think she should get her 2 mil and then be forced to use all of it to pay off some of the ICU costs. In principle, I certainly don't think anyone should be denied necessary health care in the US or anywhere for that matter but I do have a problem with a woman becoming a baby machine just to sell her story. 2 mil would start to pay off the NICU bill and I think it should so that people don't think this sort of thing is ok. As for her having the right to do this or not, I guess I take a traditional Jewish opinion on this one--parents have the right to have as many kids as they can afford to feed, clothe and educate. If times get tough, that is one thing but at the time they you pop of your privates you should be able to feed, clothe and educate them on your own. And btw, for those of you who became pg unexpectedly and perhaps weren't in the best of circumstances, I see that as very different than purposely implanting 8 embryos that you know you can't afford to feed or diaper and hoping that someone will pay you millions for your story. |
| Posted by: jcc64 Feb 3 2009, 09:21 AM |
| Take a perhaps mentally unstable, disadvantaged woman, pop her in front of TLC on any given night where she can see two unusually large families whose financial well-being was enhanced exponentially by the extraordinary circumstances surrounding their families, and you get, well you get what we have now in California. The Duggars exchanged their modest ranch home and broken down RV for a house the size of a roller rink and a gleaming new tour bus, and apparently the Gosselins moved into a new house in between their all-expense paid vacations. This woman's a logical extension of our "reality" tv consuming, cult of motherhood, high-tech medical procedure happy, confessional culture--we made her. I don't admire her choices, I question the ethics of the doctors involved, I'm sorry for the babies, but I can't say that I'm surprised by any of it. We as a culture practically dare people to do idiotic things so we can gape and judge from the sidelines while they collect their fat paychecks. |
| Posted by: Mommy2Isabella Feb 3 2009, 09:43 AM |
| The Duggars own commercial property that they rent out. The Gosselin's wrote a book! They didn't do it to make money, like this lady is seemingly doing. When Jon & Kate decided to have just "1" more they got 6. They didn't go into the dr. and say hey, can I have 6 please. The Duggars also just recently started their show in the past couple of years, their oldest child is 20 something. This lady said HEY Jon & Kate and the Duggas have a show, Im a SINGLE PARENT I think 8 babies to add to my 6 would be SUPER! I could make money by doing this. |
| Posted by: my2monkeyboys Feb 3 2009, 09:45 AM | ||
You are absolutely right. And I agree with many of the above statements... you should intentionally have only the children you can care for and just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean it's right to do. I just hope these children fare better than I expect.  |
| Posted by: coasterqueen Feb 3 2009, 09:56 AM |
| Hmm, I agree with both Jeanne and Jessica in many ways, although their opinions are different. I know nothing about the Duggars, but what I've seen of the Gosselins.....well sometimes they can make me sick. I mean I love the show, but hearing Kate talk about all their financial struggles and trying to make others who may have a lot of other kids see how they can make it just like them......uhmmmm well not everyone else with a bunch of kids get what they get. Yes, they didn't have that many kids to have a show, but they are taking every handout they can get and then making others think they can do it to. Quite frankly I think they struggle less than most of us do with a lot less kids. They don't announce on the show all the free and give-away stuff they receive just to make it. Either Kate's husband has an AWESOME salary that i have no clue on that allows him to raise a big family, kids dressing in nice clothes (a lot nicer than mine sometimes), go on vacations, etc, etc.........or they are receiving help. With the reality tv world they can make people feel like "hey if they can do it so can we" but the only way to do it is to sell your soul to the industry that will give you everything for free.  Ok, I probably got off topic. Don't mind me.  |
| Posted by: jcc64 Feb 3 2009, 10:07 AM | ||
Bingo, Karen. I often wonder how the kids will feel years from now as they see themselves, particularly Maddie, whose parents make no effort to hide their disgust with her. Set up the therapist appointments now, I say.... |
| Posted by: Mommy2Isabella Feb 3 2009, 10:36 AM |
| I have to say, we all keep our children's best intrest at heart. At the same time, yes Jon & Kate got a TON of help, with volunteers, and diapers, and clothes. My point was this lady was like HEY if I have 8 babies I can get all that, and that wasn't what the Duggars or the Gosselins did. I just feel they are being bashed for having big families. DH and I want a big family (given how this pregnancy goes). But we will never have more than we can afford and SURELY wouldn't get pregnant hoping that we got a Huggies sponsorship out of it. |
| Posted by: coasterqueen Feb 3 2009, 11:04 AM | ||
I totally understand what you mean and the difference between the families. I am ALL for big families. My dad was a part of a big family (13) and if I could afford more family and still have my life like I want it I'd have more too. It's a personal choice how many one wants, how much they want their life to change, etc. I just think profiting from it even after you've decided to have a lot of kids (and didn't do it for the money to begin with) is sort of wrong in my eyes. I know most would not agree with that, and I understand that and that's ok with me. And of course I am basing a lot of my opinions on speculation, which I know is not right by any means. My grandparents had 13 kids and didn't seek out the attention some of these big families do and get. My grandmother died when the youngest was 6. I think my grandpa's struggle to raise 13 kids by himself (well 2 of them died at birth so 11) would make a great story as well, especially since he became disabled and couldn't work to financially raise his family. Unfortunately like Jeanne said, WE make it happen along with the industry, and when I say WE I mean me as well. |
| Posted by: DVFlyer Feb 3 2009, 11:36 AM | ||
Post of the day...  |